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#8456: "Fleur-de-lys" pul. Anonymous issue. Sakche mint.
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A controversial coin issue. The mint name is either read Saqci or Solkhat. This coin belongs to a friend of mine, but I'll get it and post a better image here. Until then, can someone read the mint name please?...What do you think about the central symbol on reverse? It looks like a fleur-de-lys, but it was also considered a variant of the Nogay tamgha...
Upload Date: 11-November-2004
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Keywords: fleur-de-lys Saqche
Size, mm: 16x18
Mint: Saqchi
Denomination: pul
Metal: AE
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charm » 11-November-2004 2:40pm
An interesting coin! Mint seems to be definitely Sáqčí and there are 3 kinds of tamghas. On obverse is Nogháy's one (though really looks like fleur-de-lis), on reverse are 2 (probably) different tamghas, both are varieties of Batu's descendents ones. On obverse seems to be not Arabic, but maybe Uyghur/Mongol inscription.

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charm » 11-November-2004 3:42pm
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charm » 11-November-2004 3:47pm
..and could you kindly change the sides, that with a mint-name is conventionally considered to be a reverse. It is also in wrong category (now Far East), Juchids would be an appropriate one.

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charm » 11-November-2004 3:53pm
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charm » 11-November-2004 3:54pm

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BogdanC » 12-November-2004 11:22am
Thank you very much for the info, I do have another coin of this kind in my collection, I've sent image to Vladimir, he will add it to the database.

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charm » 14-November-2004 12:29am

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lhanaa » 5-January-2005 5:17pm
On the left-hand side of the coin there is Uighur writing which reads "sain" ("good") in Mongolian. Batu Khan was the one who has a title a "Sain Khan" ("Good Khan"). It might be that the word "sain" on this coin is the first part of that expression. The rest of the writing on the right is unreadable. If there was a similar coin like that we could have compared the writings. This coin has 2 Tamghas of Batu Khan and the word "sain" on it so there is no doubt that it is related to Batu Khan.

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BogdanC » 24-January-2005 10:21am
Very interesting reading! Have you checked #8518 (see link in charm's post above)? I know it doesn't have a clearer legend but...
Romanian numismatists weren't able to read the Uighur legend of this type, partially 'cause they didn't have enough specimens in good condition (unfortunately, most of the museums here clean coins very badly, using excessive electrolysis and strong chemicals which damage the coins :-& , so available specimens from public collections are hardly readable). This type is also quite rare, and coins aren't sharply struck.